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Antichrist & Shocking Cinema

Antichrist & Shocking Cinema

Shocking! Depraved! Disgusting! That's right, Lars Von Triers 'Antichrist' is coming to a cinema near you.

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Unless you’ve been living under a rock for a couple months, the debate over Lars Von Trier’s latest film ‘Antichrist’ continues to rage on. With it being released in the UK this Friday the amount of blogs, news pieces and interviews with the Danish “bad boy” has reached fever pitch. Surprising? No, not really. But just as I thought everyone was being rather adult about the whole matter and actually conducting proper conversations about the connotations, messages and point of this film, out of the blue comes a piece like this, labelling it grotesque, making calls for it to be banned and even taking a pop at the British Board of Film Classification. For all the righteous blathering and cries to protect children from such extreme content (Won’t somebody please think of the children?!) it brings an interesting point to films that push the envelope and shock audiences and critics alike. And is it just me or you can you hear Mary Whitehouse giggling manically from beyond the grave?

Although that’s not the only one, critics giving it a positive review have left disclaimers apologising for recommending it, some are calling it misogynistic, depraved and asking whether it’s the sickest film in the history of cinema. Everyone seems to be entirely missing the point, isn’t all of this chatter and outrage only serving to play directly into Von Trier’s hand? All it’s going to do is stoke up interest in people who would never usually bother with this sort of film (me, a person who is still scared of Chucky and cries when getting an injection, being a prime example) and Von Trier is laughing at our expense.

But isn’t shock sometimes a good thing for films to do? It was shocking when Bambi’s mum was killed, it was shocking when Malcolm McDowell sang “Singing in the Rain” whilst beating the crap out of a couple, it was shocking when Linda Blair’s head spun around and there was outrage when Monty Python dared to satirise religion. I’m not saying that ‘Antichrist’ is going to be heralded as one of the greatest films ever in the future but in an age when we all complain about the remakes and sequels that are saturating our cinemas surely a new or daring film (even though I’ve heard of the similarities with Vinyan) should be celebrated, shouldn’t it?

After seeing ‘Antichrist’, like with most hyped films it was somewhat of a letdown. And if you want to see something truly misogynistic why don’t you try and watch anything starring Kate Hudson. But then again that’s just my opinion and unlike that journalist who didn’t bother, you should see it for yourself, just don’t take a date you intend on sleeping with afterwards.

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Comments (13)

  • I think that Daily Mail article (surprise!) must be some kind of meta-satire. I mean, really… "I haven't seen it myself, nor shall I – and I speak as a broad-minded arts critic, strongly libertarian in tendency. But merely reading about Antichrist is stomach-turning, and enough to form a judgment." Er, no it's not. Or, actually, yes it is. But not any kind of judgment worth reading.

    I like the way he goes on to say, "The world of Antichrist, by contrast, is blatantly amoral, without any sense of justice or retribution whatever." Blatantly. So blatantly you can tell just from the poster, apparently.

    And an absolute classic: "As soon as it's released on DVD, Antichrist will harm children anyway, deeply and irrevocably." If anybody knows of any child who wants to watch a Danish-language art house horror film, please forward me their details and I'll ear mark them for a job.

    Written by Matt B on July 21st, 2009 at 12:51

  • The comments are even better:

    "I agree entirely with this piece. It's not just this film that is the issue here (as people seem to forget) – it's the absolute lack of responsibility shown by the BBFC. It seems as if anything goes, and then we wonder about all of the gratuitous violence and increasing number of sex offenders that our society is littered with."

    Damn those sex-offender creating films!

    Written by Nick Cook on July 21st, 2009 at 12:52

  • "I haven't seen it myself, nor shall I"

    And that's the nub of the problem right there. this is a new low for the Daily Mail, even for the sensationalist invective that has become its bread and butter. What's equally disappointing is the return to the old staple – "Won't somebody think of the children?" – an argument so weak it’s not even worth responding to. Without an argument, Christopher Hart's proposition in its simplest form is: "I don't like this sort of thing therefore it should be banned." and nothing more. But, I'll say no more to avoid an early Godwin.

    Also Matt I think a child who was interested in Danish-language art house horror , would benefit more from a psychiatrist than a job

    Written by Bobby_Floyd on July 21st, 2009 at 13:21

  • no offence but film is in english… :)

    Written by Geeny on July 21st, 2009 at 14:23

  • The article is so contradictary.
    "You don't need to eat a whole bowl of scabs to know they're scabs."
    "I haven't seen it myself, nor shall I"
    Surely these quotes prove that the film can easily be avoided therefore does not need banning or cutting at all.
    Another point the author of the article seems to completely avoid is that this is a Danish art house/indie film with a limited release. I am travelling an hour on a train to go see this as it is not showing anywhere remotely close to me until October. Surely if they want to have a stab at these 'torture porn' films they could have picked some average US horror, sure it's not as graphic, but atleast Antichrist (from what I have heard) tries to add some depth and meaning to what's happening on screen, even if it does get lost in the violence.

    Personally I cannot wait to go see the film on Friday.

    Written by doug1482 on July 21st, 2009 at 15:27

  • I'm really not too sure where to stand on this debate.
    … In fact, I think I do… 'The world of Antichrist, by contrast, is blatantly amoral, without any sense of justice or retribution whatever.' I wonder what this point means to people, there are pieces of literature and there are films where this point occurs and to many this puts them off. By not having a moral compass to shine towards the sun, an audience wonders what's the point?
    But, why not think about the other hand? Trier is not treating his audience like idiots, in fact he has already said, he doesn't make films for the audience but for himself. It took someone like Trier to make a film like 'Dogville' to have certain techniques and themes recognized, many of which (still after the cult success of the film), many stay away from.
    Yes, a point which has gone through my head is that Trier may just be self indulgent and by creating 'Antichrist', he is just playing out whatever torture fantasies are going through his head, and hey, at the end of the day, how does that effect any one of us?
    The only question which arises in my mind about the film after reading many reviews is the DVD sales. Don't go the cinema, don't watch it on television and don't buy the DVD, it's very difficult to completely control what everyone watches (as we know) but I am sure by the way that this film is being described, many would be put off by it, even those under 18 who feel bravado is the way to go???
    Me? I want to see Antichrist, I want to rave and rant and try to understand what everyone is going on about. I want to 'open minded' like our Daily Mail critic who won't even see the film, there is not enough time in the world to describe the irony of the modern Daily Mail and I wouldn't want to go into it here. But at the end of the day, when films are blamed for shootings and violence, I will not fully accept them for the blame. There are other circumstances which surround someone…
    For someone questioning why this isn't being banned? Many would question why 'Bruno' is being banned… is it a question of prejudice? I don't think so (anymore…) but what I do wonder is why so many people are scared of taboos which are being broken.
    Violence, sex and death are part of life, why not be part of the film world? I, like most others, like to sit and enjoy a silly Hollywood shoot 'em up where the storyline wavers between juvenile and down right rubbish, where the acting looks like it hasn't advanced since a pre school play but I also, like most other Little White Lies readers (as I have been lead the believe) are also great lovers of this art form called film. Why make 'Antichrist' out to be like it's title, it's more likely to be a landmark. Trier is actually getting what he wanted, he has shocked and created media buzz, this is why people go to the films these days. The reason behind the film is really only known by Trier but can be speculated by sensible people like those who debate, unfortunately we look to Daily Mail reviewers who haven't seen the film and stand for it's banning. Each person is open to their opinion, don't blame the BBFC for coming into the 21st century and realising that.

    Written by Oliver C on July 21st, 2009 at 16:05

  • "You don't need to eat a whole bowl of scabs to know they're scabs."
    Now THAT is sick, and DANGEROUS

    Written by mattg on July 22nd, 2009 at 08:21

  • The Daily Mail is just trolling posting stuff like this – they know it will cause outrage and increase their webstats.

    Please just ignore them in the future and don't fuel their fire of hate and prejudice.

    Written by Dan on July 22nd, 2009 at 09:08

  • Good point. And unlike Christopher Hart, I've actually seen the film as well.

    Written by Matt Bochenski on July 22nd, 2009 at 13:12

  • The irony is, I was speaking to the film's distributors about the Daily Mail article yesterday, and they absolutely love it. No publicity is bad publicity and all that.

    Written by Matt Bochenski on July 22nd, 2009 at 13:13

  • Of course they do, it'll have the exact same effect on other readers as it did on me. I had no intention of watching it but after all the fuss I had to see it. There's a reason why all those films mentioned did so well despite being banned/controversial, it got attention and made people watch it, so as usual, the Mail have shot themselves in the foot, as well as looking beyond stupid.

    Written by Lim Salt on July 22nd, 2009 at 13:38

  • In von Trier's film, the violence (when it eventually comes) may be graphic, but it's all in the head – or in a mythological space – or in a hypnotic state. This is a film, much like Takashi Miike's Audition, where squirm-inducingly visceral torture is a cinematic figure for anguish and torment of an altogether more psychological kind. Anyone who imagines that what they are watching is intended in any way to be taken literally is going to have a hard time explaining to themselves the talking fox, the unkillable crow or the constellation that does not exist – not to mention the odd coda. Any children tuning in (and some adults too) are more likely to be confused than anything else. Horror fans, meanwhile, raised on much harder stuff, will be wondering what all the fuss is about (as many did with Martyrs last year). Von Trier has succeeded in bringing the tropes of horror over to an audience that would not normally endure them – and doing so in a film of devilish ambiguity and determined despair. Did I mention that I liked Antichrist?

    If you like the sound of it, but are concerned about your own squeamishness, see the similarly themed (but far more restrained) Vinyan instead – which if anything I preferred.

    Written by Anton Bitel on July 23rd, 2009 at 07:40

  • Meh, I'll stick with Don't Look Now, thanks. That had real sex AND a killer gnome.

    Written by zuko on July 24th, 2009 at 15:33

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