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		<title>By: Juli&#225;n Abreu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juli&#225;n Abreu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tottally agree..........! </description>
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		<title>By: gibbering fool</title>
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		<dc:creator>gibbering fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a film goer I was equally horrified and fascinated by Antichrist, as an artist repelled and consumed by the imagery. As a film maker, astounded that any director could inspire such trust from his actors and as someone who has experienced a lot of grief, moved to tears by the films earlier scenes. I&#039;m still too busy thinking about it in all its paradoxical, irreverent, demented and wickedly provocative glory to criticize it, yet...........DOCTOR MY BRAIN HURTS! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a film goer I was equally horrified and fascinated by Antichrist, as an artist repelled and consumed by the imagery. As a film maker, astounded that any director could inspire such trust from his actors and as someone who has experienced a lot of grief, moved to tears by the films earlier scenes. I&#039;m still too busy thinking about it in all its paradoxical, irreverent, demented and wickedly provocative glory to criticize it, yet&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..DOCTOR MY BRAIN HURTS!</p>
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		<title>By: PinkThinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>PinkThinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JB. Ha - yep, fair point re: the lex-flex yet  - on the whole I find CLF fundamentally constructive in their fire stoking. It is good, isn&#039;t it, to see rallying against mediocrity in its forms both critical and cinematic when it&#039;s as thoughtful and wideranging as that? I don&#039;t feel they&#039;re elitist nor &#039;academic&#039; (it&#039;s quite patently not - look at the style for one) and I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;d be happy to admit attention grabbing is a necessary part of their agenda no?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JB. Ha &#8211; yep, fair point re: the lex-flex yet  &#8211; on the whole I find CLF fundamentally constructive in their fire stoking. It is good, isn&#039;t it, to see rallying against mediocrity in its forms both critical and cinematic when it&#039;s as thoughtful and wideranging as that? I don&#039;t feel they&#039;re elitist nor &#039;academic&#039; (it&#039;s quite patently not &#8211; look at the style for one) and I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;d be happy to admit attention grabbing is a necessary part of their agenda no?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But posting exactly the same piece on different websites is a bit lame though, right? A bit attention grabbing. And if anyone is going to be &quot;held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon...&quot;, I think I know who I&#039;ll start with. Clue: it wont be Peter Bradshaw. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But posting exactly the same piece on different websites is a bit lame though, right? A bit attention grabbing. And if anyone is going to be &quot;held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon&#8230;&quot;, I think I know who I&#039;ll start with. Clue: it wont be Peter Bradshaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But posting exactly the same piece on different websites is a bit lame though, right? A bit attention grabbing. And if anyone is going to be &quot;held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon...&quot;, I think I know who I&#039;ll start with. Clue: it wont be Peter Bradshaw. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But posting exactly the same piece on different websites is a bit lame though, right? A bit attention grabbing. And if anyone is going to be &quot;held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon&#8230;&quot;, I think I know who I&#039;ll start with. Clue: it wont be Peter Bradshaw.</p>
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		<title>By: DanStewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanStewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of this will stop people like CLF sounding off on whatever academic theory strikes them as being Von Trier&#8217;s main thesis. To them I would say this: the man&#8217;s not an academic, he&#8217;s a showman. Why else do you think his films go on widespread release? He&#8217;s like every other mainstream director in that he makes films to elicit emotions from his audience, whether it&#8217;s laughter, shock or gasps of fear. There weren&#8217;t enough of any of these in Antichrist, in my opinion. 
 
(sorry, server made me split my comment into three parts!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this will stop people like CLF sounding off on whatever academic theory strikes them as being Von Trier&rsquo;s main thesis. To them I would say this: the man&rsquo;s not an academic, he&rsquo;s a showman. Why else do you think his films go on widespread release? He&rsquo;s like every other mainstream director in that he makes films to elicit emotions from his audience, whether it&rsquo;s laughter, shock or gasps of fear. There weren&rsquo;t enough of any of these in Antichrist, in my opinion. </p>
<p>(sorry, server made me split my comment into three parts!)</p>
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		<title>By: DanStewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanStewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said that, I&#8217;m not sure that the film deserves academic scrutiny. I think Von Trier has picked up bits and pieces of gender theory, written down some of his negative experiences in therapy and muddled it together with some horror film tropes. I struggled to find anything coherent about it, and you have to suspect some of the pyschosexual horror setpieces of the last 20 minutes were put in simply to shock the audience into a reaction. Would we really be talking so much about this film if it wasn&#8217;t for those scenes? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said that, I&rsquo;m not sure that the film deserves academic scrutiny. I think Von Trier has picked up bits and pieces of gender theory, written down some of his negative experiences in therapy and muddled it together with some horror film tropes. I struggled to find anything coherent about it, and you have to suspect some of the pyschosexual horror setpieces of the last 20 minutes were put in simply to shock the audience into a reaction. Would we really be talking so much about this film if it wasn&rsquo;t for those scenes?</p>
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		<title>By: DanStewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanStewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite CLF&#8217;s rather overblown style, he/she makes one good point about critics who have dismissed Antichrist as a practical joke. It&#8217;s not only Bradshaw but Kermode too, and Andrew O&#8217;Hagan in the Standard. It does seem like a bit of a cop-out, but I think this would be a very difficult film to critique for the general public. Simply saying Von Trier has created something no more meaningful than a joke avoids a complex academic reading of the film which might be unpalatable to a mainstream audience. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite CLF&rsquo;s rather overblown style, he/she makes one good point about critics who have dismissed Antichrist as a practical joke. It&rsquo;s not only Bradshaw but Kermode too, and Andrew O&rsquo;Hagan in the Standard. It does seem like a bit of a cop-out, but I think this would be a very difficult film to critique for the general public. Simply saying Von Trier has created something no more meaningful than a joke avoids a complex academic reading of the film which might be unpalatable to a mainstream audience.</p>
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		<title>By: PinkThinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>PinkThinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to Graimito&#039;s opinion I found the CLF&#039;s assessment to be emotionally perceptive, analytically precise and genuinely evocative (like all of the best film criticism in its authentic form). 
 
Graimito is right when he/she says academic writing is not special if it doesn&#039;t communicate its points effectively but this passionate thought piece by the CLF does quite the opposite (for me), despite not being a piece of academic writing anyway. 
 
The CLF makes many, many relevant and astute points. Bradshaw should be held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon, the wider mediated reception of Von Trier and this film go a long way to justifying von Trier&#039;s clearly satirical communication strategies outside of the film and Von Trier&#039;s rigorous, inventive and multi-faceted unpacking of &#039;misogyny&#039; does not make him the misogynist the sulphuric reviews would have you believe. 
 
Von Trier is demonstrating and articulating through this film not only an intimidating awareness of the different audience segments involved, his own psychological make-up and career, but the confluence of debates surrounding film theory/making/viewing (Mulvey looms large does she not), film canons and genre, cinema history and heritage, theology, adaptation and tragedy. That is a hell of a list and I&#039;m probably not even touching the sides. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to Graimito&#039;s opinion I found the CLF&#039;s assessment to be emotionally perceptive, analytically precise and genuinely evocative (like all of the best film criticism in its authentic form). </p>
<p>Graimito is right when he/she says academic writing is not special if it doesn&#039;t communicate its points effectively but this passionate thought piece by the CLF does quite the opposite (for me), despite not being a piece of academic writing anyway. </p>
<p>The CLF makes many, many relevant and astute points. Bradshaw should be held to account for forsaking constructive analysis for flexing his lexicon, the wider mediated reception of Von Trier and this film go a long way to justifying von Trier&#039;s clearly satirical communication strategies outside of the film and Von Trier&#039;s rigorous, inventive and multi-faceted unpacking of &#039;misogyny&#039; does not make him the misogynist the sulphuric reviews would have you believe. </p>
<p>Von Trier is demonstrating and articulating through this film not only an intimidating awareness of the different audience segments involved, his own psychological make-up and career, but the confluence of debates surrounding film theory/making/viewing (Mulvey looms large does she not), film canons and genre, cinema history and heritage, theology, adaptation and tragedy. That is a hell of a list and I&#039;m probably not even touching the sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey Monroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey Monroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following review is a take on the treatment of subject in the film and not a comprehensive review of the film in itself. The review does not signify the concrete views of the reviewer, merely collected thoughts at this time. 
 
Film is quite hard to review without context.  
Horror, beauty, violence, all are descriptions that have little meaning alone.  
 In the context of the adverts with &#8220;shock&#8221; hyped reviews I had seen previous to the film, I can only think the context must be a little tongue in cheek.  
And in the context of Von Trier&#8217;s Dancer in the Dark, the tragedy is never conveyed with the same depth nor is there the same level of emotional engagement we have in the characters.  
The opening scenes, if they are beautiful, are not in the same way that Pan&#8217;s Labyrinth, for instance, might be considered is beautiful. There is a black humour, a nod to the fact that all tragedy is a slow motion conclusion made inevitable by the fact we have named it a tragedy. 
 As the film has just started, we have no emotional engagement with the couple we see making love and therefore what we see is a blow by blow account of what happened, we experience the tragedy of the event through the reaction of Gainsbourg&#8217;s character as the film unfolds. 
That said, the film is graphic and it does shock, but to me it deals with horror and violence more as a concept than in their visual state.  
I am quite squeamish, and yet I didn&#8217;t find this film as horrifying nor violent as I had expected, and where the gore is depicted it feels restrained, tame even. The scenes are more shocking when described than they are when seen, something  I doubt escaped Von trier. 
Unlike most &#8220;horror&#8221; genres, the violence is depicted with realism, happening in a type of unreality. In terms of being hyped as a film that uses shock  for shock&#039;s sake, actually it wasn&#039;t (thankfully!) and it didn&#039;t upset nor shock me in the same way that the recent  remake of Last Turn on the Left did, a film I found far more violent, distuburbing and unrelenting, a film that in my mind went too far. 
For me the most shocking moments in Antichrist were the moments of realisation, like when Dafoe is in the outhouse/shed and discovers what is at the top of Gainsbourg&#039;s list of fears, and we begin to piece together why that might be.  
That spine chilling moment when the lines of sanity and madness, grief and horror are blurred and you ask yourself, &quot;is she actually evil? Did she put the shoes on wrong by mistake, or deliberately?&quot;  
In that second, where what you think you know about her character is replaced by a doubt,  you ask yourself &quot;would she do that?&quot;.  
And I suppose that question becomes the crux of the film, could you do that?, &quot;that&quot; being whatever it is that you are afraid you could be capable of. That, which whilst in the throes of grief and despair, especially of depression, it is so much easier to believe, &quot;yes I probably would&quot;. 
Gainsbourg becomes what she believes she really is, overtaken and at the mercy of her grief and despair. A monster, a kind of antichrist. All ability to rationally consider the pain of others is overwhelmed by her own, overblown, emotional state. Despair, grief, depression, they rob you of your humanity. 
And in trying to bury his own pain and grief in an attempt to help heal hers, Dafoe also loses his humanity and ends up snuffing her out.  
This surely alludes to the common situation whereby  no matter how much someone may protest to want to be there for another during their grief or depression, in reality it is often impossible to bear with them as they hit the lows and all too often we want to hurry them toward wellness in an attempt to keep our sanity.  
 
And that is just it, horror, violence, tragedy, they live in primarily in our minds and in the sense of the context we give them. 
Who would have gone to see a film about the tragedy of loss and the de-humanisation caused by grief, depair and pain, if it had not been given the context of shocking, sexualised violence? 
Perhaps to be depressed or stricken with despair is a modern condition that has become almost stereotypical and one which the audience cannot emotionally engage with. Or perhaps that cynicism is the context that Von Trier found himself in whilst writing this film, in bed isolated and suffering from a depressed state. 
 
 
Honey Monroe </description>
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<p>Film is quite hard to review without context.<br />
Horror, beauty, violence, all are descriptions that have little meaning alone.<br />
 In the context of the adverts with &ldquo;shock&rdquo; hyped reviews I had seen previous to the film, I can only think the context must be a little tongue in cheek.<br />
And in the context of Von Trier&rsquo;s Dancer in the Dark, the tragedy is never conveyed with the same depth nor is there the same level of emotional engagement we have in the characters.<br />
The opening scenes, if they are beautiful, are not in the same way that Pan&rsquo;s Labyrinth, for instance, might be considered is beautiful. There is a black humour, a nod to the fact that all tragedy is a slow motion conclusion made inevitable by the fact we have named it a tragedy.<br />
 As the film has just started, we have no emotional engagement with the couple we see making love and therefore what we see is a blow by blow account of what happened, we experience the tragedy of the event through the reaction of Gainsbourg&rsquo;s character as the film unfolds.<br />
That said, the film is graphic and it does shock, but to me it deals with horror and violence more as a concept than in their visual state.<br />
I am quite squeamish, and yet I didn&rsquo;t find this film as horrifying nor violent as I had expected, and where the gore is depicted it feels restrained, tame even. The scenes are more shocking when described than they are when seen, something  I doubt escaped Von trier.<br />
Unlike most &ldquo;horror&rdquo; genres, the violence is depicted with realism, happening in a type of unreality. In terms of being hyped as a film that uses shock  for shock&#039;s sake, actually it wasn&#039;t (thankfully!) and it didn&#039;t upset nor shock me in the same way that the recent  remake of Last Turn on the Left did, a film I found far more violent, distuburbing and unrelenting, a film that in my mind went too far.<br />
For me the most shocking moments in Antichrist were the moments of realisation, like when Dafoe is in the outhouse/shed and discovers what is at the top of Gainsbourg&#039;s list of fears, and we begin to piece together why that might be.<br />
That spine chilling moment when the lines of sanity and madness, grief and horror are blurred and you ask yourself, &quot;is she actually evil? Did she put the shoes on wrong by mistake, or deliberately?&quot;<br />
In that second, where what you think you know about her character is replaced by a doubt,  you ask yourself &quot;would she do that?&quot;.<br />
And I suppose that question becomes the crux of the film, could you do that?, &quot;that&quot; being whatever it is that you are afraid you could be capable of. That, which whilst in the throes of grief and despair, especially of depression, it is so much easier to believe, &quot;yes I probably would&quot;.<br />
Gainsbourg becomes what she believes she really is, overtaken and at the mercy of her grief and despair. A monster, a kind of antichrist. All ability to rationally consider the pain of others is overwhelmed by her own, overblown, emotional state. Despair, grief, depression, they rob you of your humanity.<br />
And in trying to bury his own pain and grief in an attempt to help heal hers, Dafoe also loses his humanity and ends up snuffing her out.<br />
This surely alludes to the common situation whereby  no matter how much someone may protest to want to be there for another during their grief or depression, in reality it is often impossible to bear with them as they hit the lows and all too often we want to hurry them toward wellness in an attempt to keep our sanity.  </p>
<p>And that is just it, horror, violence, tragedy, they live in primarily in our minds and in the sense of the context we give them.<br />
Who would have gone to see a film about the tragedy of loss and the de-humanisation caused by grief, depair and pain, if it had not been given the context of shocking, sexualised violence?<br />
Perhaps to be depressed or stricken with despair is a modern condition that has become almost stereotypical and one which the audience cannot emotionally engage with. Or perhaps that cynicism is the context that Von Trier found himself in whilst writing this film, in bed isolated and suffering from a depressed state. </p>
<p>Honey Monroe</p>
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