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		<title>By: Emma Paterson</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27838</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anton, 
 
Good of you to say so! Incidentally, had no idea you were a part-time classicist when I raised the oikos point... 
 
Emma </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anton, </p>
<p>Good of you to say so! Incidentally, had no idea you were a part-time classicist when I raised the oikos point&#8230; </p>
<p>Emma</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Bitel</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27806</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Bitel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Emma 
Fair enough. Really enjoyed your review, btw - and the film. 
ant </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Emma<br />
Fair enough. Really enjoyed your review, btw &#8211; and the film.<br />
ant</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Paterson</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27805</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholly agree that Gregoire&#039;s character is painted sympathetically in the film, and it is not my intention for the reading above to carry with it a value judgement of any sort. However, I do see the presentation of his catastrophic fate and its culmination in suicide as flavoured by something gender specific. Perhaps we should just agree to differ..! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholly agree that Gregoire&#039;s character is painted sympathetically in the film, and it is not my intention for the reading above to carry with it a value judgement of any sort. However, I do see the presentation of his catastrophic fate and its culmination in suicide as flavoured by something gender specific. Perhaps we should just agree to differ..!</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Bitel</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27787</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Bitel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ancient Greek oikos was strictly divided into men&#039;s and women&#039;s quarters. It was a space that accommodated all - even the slaves. I just don&#039;t see any constructive parallel between an ancient Greek household (where women were regarded as chattels, and kept in conditions not unlike purdah) and the sort depicted in &lt;i&gt;Father of my Children&lt;/i&gt;. 
 
In the film, Gregoire&#039;s women are &lt;b&gt;already&lt;/b&gt; in the Parisian polis (until the end, when they leave it). That place where they are located at the beginning of the film is their weekend countryhouse - it it is not where they live. Clemence is leaving the oikos only in the sense that she is coming (although has not yet fully come) of age, a transition which the film depicts with great subtlety (especially in the sequence where she changes her order of a coffee to a hot chocolate). 
 
When Clemence characterises the way that Gregoire has treated his son as abandonment - indeed, as abandonment which she likens to what she is herself suffering - Sylvia herself is quick to leap to her hsuband&#039;s defence, and to suggest that the circumstances were more complex than Clemence imagines. Indeed, Clemence&#039;s anxious misapprehension (inspired by the malicious gossip that she overhears in a cafe) that her father was involved in an ongoing adulterous affair [minor spoiler alert] is quickly scotched, and the son turns out to be much older than Clemence herself, and now married with his own children. Gregoire is a flawed character, and has made some terrible decisions with catatstrophic consequences - but there is also much about him to be admired (Sylvia, for one, is full of admiration for him) - and I just didn&#039;t see the film as attributing either his good or his bad points to anything specifically male about him. After all, his best friend Serge is also his opposite in just about every way - and male.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ancient Greek oikos was strictly divided into men&#039;s and women&#039;s quarters. It was a space that accommodated all &#8211; even the slaves. I just don&#039;t see any constructive parallel between an ancient Greek household (where women were regarded as chattels, and kept in conditions not unlike purdah) and the sort depicted in <i>Father of my Children</i>. </p>
<p>In the film, Gregoire&#039;s women are <b>already</b> in the Parisian polis (until the end, when they leave it). That place where they are located at the beginning of the film is their weekend countryhouse &#8211; it it is not where they live. Clemence is leaving the oikos only in the sense that she is coming (although has not yet fully come) of age, a transition which the film depicts with great subtlety (especially in the sequence where she changes her order of a coffee to a hot chocolate). </p>
<p>When Clemence characterises the way that Gregoire has treated his son as abandonment &#8211; indeed, as abandonment which she likens to what she is herself suffering &#8211; Sylvia herself is quick to leap to her hsuband&#039;s defence, and to suggest that the circumstances were more complex than Clemence imagines. Indeed, Clemence&#039;s anxious misapprehension (inspired by the malicious gossip that she overhears in a cafe) that her father was involved in an ongoing adulterous affair [minor spoiler alert] is quickly scotched, and the son turns out to be much older than Clemence herself, and now married with his own children. Gregoire is a flawed character, and has made some terrible decisions with catatstrophic consequences &#8211; but there is also much about him to be admired (Sylvia, for one, is full of admiration for him) &#8211; and I just didn&#039;t see the film as attributing either his good or his bad points to anything specifically male about him. After all, his best friend Serge is also his opposite in just about every way &#8211; and male.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Paterson</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27785</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that the family and its reparative function might themselves be seen as gendered female/feminine. The divide I am suggesting - and not &quot;imposing&quot; - manifests parallels with the ancient Greek separation between the oikos (family, and female space) and the polis (city, and male space). In the film, Gregoire&#039;s women must step out of the oikos and into the polis to pick up the pieces of his mistakes. I am simply pointing to that old (if archaic) notion of the men who go to war and the women who bandage their wounds. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that the family and its reparative function might themselves be seen as gendered female/feminine. The divide I am suggesting &#8211; and not &quot;imposing&quot; &#8211; manifests parallels with the ancient Greek separation between the oikos (family, and female space) and the polis (city, and male space). In the film, Gregoire&#039;s women must step out of the oikos and into the polis to pick up the pieces of his mistakes. I am simply pointing to that old (if archaic) notion of the men who go to war and the women who bandage their wounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Bitel</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27780</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Bitel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and in the hands of his male producer friend Serge, his male accountant, his male lawyer, and the male receiver. The film&#039;s focus is on family, and Gr&#233;goires family happens to be all-female - but I just don&#039;t see the gendered critique that you are imposing on the film. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and in the hands of his male producer friend Serge, his male accountant, his male lawyer, and the male receiver. The film&#039;s focus is on family, and Gr&eacute;goires family happens to be all-female &#8211; but I just don&#039;t see the gendered critique that you are imposing on the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Paterson</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27775</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether they are SUCCESSFULLY dealt with by the women in question, their consequences are nonetheless left in the hands of the female characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether they are SUCCESSFULLY dealt with by the women in question, their consequences are nonetheless left in the hands of the female characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Bitel</title>
		<link>http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-father-of-my-children/comment-page-1/#comment-27747</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Bitel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That Gr&#233;goire&#8217;s mistakes, from the dissolution of his production company to a neglected son he has had by another woman, are put right by the women in his life sets up an interesting divide between the implied irresponsibility of men and the corrective female influence.&quot; 
This would be a more interesting reading if it were actually true that G&#039;s mistakes, as listed, are put right by by the women in his life... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;That Gr&eacute;goire&rsquo;s mistakes, from the dissolution of his production company to a neglected son he has had by another woman, are put right by the women in his life sets up an interesting divide between the implied irresponsibility of men and the corrective female influence.&quot;<br />
This would be a more interesting reading if it were actually true that G&#039;s mistakes, as listed, are put right by by the women in his life&#8230;</p>
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